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Fly Fishing Quiz, Win Truck Luggage

July 19, 2011

Fly Fishing Quiz, Win Truck Luggage

Pretty sweet prize this week, seems like the little spam problem has been handled, and it’s the second week of the quiz, so hopefully a lot of responses. Be the first to answer one question correctly and behind curtain number one we have for some truck luggage from Truck Accessories Group.

I watched the wonderboy, Luke Hitt, cast a big ol’ streamer at some hook-jawed, pig nasties during the Finals last year. Second or third cast, one crushed his fly, shook, and broke off. It was the only fly Luke had in that exact pattern and now it was stuck in the mouth of a pissed off 22-inch rainbow, who was sulking on the other side off the creek.

Luke sulked even more than the fish when it set in what had happened. It may have been the only time of the entire week that Luke couldn’t think of something to say to make me laugh out loud. (While the trout is still probably mad, Luke will get his shot for redemption, as he made it back to Dogwood)

Question: What was Luke’s biggest mistake in this situation?

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from 5Cent wrote 42 weeks 3 days ago

Mistake was only bringing one streamer in that pattern, or close to that pattern. The flies that a competitor takes to the competition is for that specific area and time of year . Only having one hurt him.

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from Flyfish_fox wrote 42 weeks 3 days ago

Several possible mistakes,and I have made them all.
Wind knots in the leader will cause breakoffs, as they are the weakest point in the leader.
The method used for hook set, the baitcaster's full body hook set can cause a breakoff.
Failure to "bow", or give line to, to a jumping fish will cause the line to break.
One cause could be the poundage of the leader he was using. Streamers can usually be tied to a heavier poundage than a dry fly. I have heard the trout in that stream are extremely leader shy, but a submerged offering can usually be a heavier poundage.

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from craigw52 wrote 42 weeks 3 days ago

Two thing come to mind: 1) After setting the hook, Luke should have tried to get the trout on the 'reel' ASAP. One stands a much great risk of a breakoff by pulling line to play a fish...rather than using the reel. Using the reel's drag is much more forgiving than 'line in hand'. 1) Luke's tippet was too small, likely causing the break. Not sure if he was using one of the 100% fluorcarbon tippets, but you can usually get away with larger line size by going 'Fluro'.

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from hctapluos wrote 42 weeks 2 days ago

Here is my humble opinion....from the information given, the fish never jumped but did crush it, shook, and then broke off. This type of strike and reaction can and usually happens quick and takes place before you can even get him on the reel, waiting for him to make a run and him assisting you in getting him on the reel would be the best option. You can get him on the reel, but tension must be kept on the fish with the rod hand finger pressing the line against the cork while the other hand is cranking, otherwise slack line will lose him just as easy. I don't buy that he was using too light a tippet. Many a huge trout have been succesfully caught on tippet much lighter than anything Luke was probably using. The problem was not instinctively feathering that fly line through the rod hand finger when the fish went violent. A 22" fish shaking his head can pull 8" of line, but if that line is anchored....well pop goes the weasel.

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from hctapluos wrote 42 weeks 2 days ago

Forgot to mention that after the "second or third cast a big fish crushed it" tells me that having more of that specific pattern is really not an issue. If that was really the only fly they wanted he would only have found that out after many refusals from other flies, but losing that one fly after only two casts? No biggie, the cookie cutters will probably hit the next well presented fly as well. Actually his biggest mistake was sulking on that LDR. Without even thinking I would have been grabbing some tippet, repaired my leader, and tied on another fly before that fish had time to swim to the other side. An hour goes by quick.

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from BubbaK wrote 42 weeks 2 days ago

Personally (and I'm no expert!), I've found that when a big fish turns and runs, I have lost them when I have failed to give them enough slack quickly enough. I have found that bowing to the fish, while letting the rod come into play, and while feeding him some line in a controlled manner (i.e. letting the slack slip through my controlling hand), keeps the pressure on, while avoiding having my leader broken. I caught a similar-sized bow on a 5 or 6x leader on a #22 nymph on the Beaverkill last weekend. I was certain he was going to part that leader, because he got below me in the current, but it worked out. Good going to Luke - I prefer streamer fishing to any other type, though it's often less productive than nymphing.

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from PBelle wrote 42 weeks 1 day ago

I feel that the biggest mistake that many of us make in this situation is not brushing it off and getting right back in there after the fish. We all lose a big one now and then (and it isn't fun!) but if you let it get to you and don't keep after them - you won't have another chance.

Luke, no doubt you've been at this much longer than I have, but don't sulk - and don't get wrapped up in the fact that you don't have that exact fly handy. Quickly double check your gear and landing technique, then get back in there after those fish!

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from JoeGeurts wrote 42 weeks 1 day ago

Only having one fly in that pattern was his biggest mistake. With it now gone he is unable to reproduce the same situation that was producing fish.

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from lonewulff wrote 42 weeks 1 day ago

his biggest mistake was sulking after hooking into a 22" bow! he probably applied too much pressure too soon in the hookset. if he was actively fishing a streamer the fly was already under tension and there is not much need to set the hook, all that is needed is a subtle tug and then let the fish run.

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from bisonium wrote 42 weeks 1 day ago

Biggest mistake was probably using too light of a leader/tippet. Mistake #2 was not having more flies. Mistake 3# was not bringing his fly tying bench and materials to make more flies in that pattern...

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from John Davis wrote 42 weeks 1 day ago

Going with bisonium for the prize pack. A couple of ya gave the too light of a tippet answer, true, but bisonium was the first one to list it as his first choice.
My list of reasons why, and feel free to argue, you may change my mind, but not the fact that bisonium gets the prize pack.
1. Luke may have be given that pattern when he got on site. By a local, a guide, crack-head Timmy, anyone, so only having one in that pattern could have possibly not been avoided.
2. Knowing the amount of pressure that competitors feel in the Finals, there's a really good chance that a highly seasoned vet fly-fisher would make a rookie mistake. Controlling tension and line are a little different with a time limit on your back.
3. He's not allowed to have a fly tying kit during competition.
4. "Sulking afterwards" didn't mean that he sat there and didn't fish, though I can very much see how many of y'all thought that's what I meant. The big man is a funny, funny dude, and when he got quiet for a few, you could see his heart sink.
5. The trout in Dogwood have never been leader shy in the Finals comp. They are only fished when there is a guided trip and there is a ton of stream for the guides to spread pressure, so the don't get hammered. With some research, you could easily find this out before the comp.
In general, you can use a heavier tippet when streamer fishing; in most places anyway. You should know this ahead of time.
If they are leader shy, you can always size down after refusals. You should know this ahead of time also.
These trout are heavy and strong; you need to be able to muscle them at times so you don't kill them upon release.
Knowing these AHEAD of comp time, I feel like Luke should have gone into it knowing that he could and should use heavier tippet. It's a ton easier to plan ahead and control those that you can then, not when that clock is ticking and the cameras are on.

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from 5Cent wrote 42 weeks 22 hours ago

Interesting and good read John.

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from Flyfish_fox wrote 42 weeks 9 hours ago

When I have been standing around at the regionals talking with the past finalist the conversation turned to the flyfishing comp. They have all said that they had to go to a 5x tippet to get a bite. Sounds like the trout are leader shy to me, but I have never been there.
Usually when I have a fish break off, when I have looked at the leader there is that telltale "pig tail" at the tip of the remaining of the shortened leader to let me know that wind knot was the culprit.
It is hard to tell the real cause withhout being able to examine the broken leader.

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from John Davis wrote 42 weeks 9 min ago

Well Chuck, I fished the creek a few dozen times and never got the impression that the were leader shy. But not sure what I know, I only guided for a decade.

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from Flyfish_fox wrote 41 weeks 3 days ago

Ouch

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from John Davis wrote 40 weeks 4 days ago

Hey Bisonium, send me you info at john@blue3productions.com and we'll get your prize pack out.

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from Davidkingsbury wrote 6 weeks 4 days ago

Bring more than one of every fly or streamer

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from Hartings7 wrote 1 week 33 min ago

If the man is a serious fly fisher he probably ties his own flies. If he does than Luke's main mistake is that he needs to at least two of every fly. and another thing Luke should have done was stick with that fish, he should have thrown more flies at that fish and tried to hook him again. Since the fish did not storm off.

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from 5Cent wrote 42 weeks 3 days ago

Mistake was only bringing one streamer in that pattern, or close to that pattern. The flies that a competitor takes to the competition is for that specific area and time of year . Only having one hurt him.

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from PBelle wrote 42 weeks 1 day ago

I feel that the biggest mistake that many of us make in this situation is not brushing it off and getting right back in there after the fish. We all lose a big one now and then (and it isn't fun!) but if you let it get to you and don't keep after them - you won't have another chance.

Luke, no doubt you've been at this much longer than I have, but don't sulk - and don't get wrapped up in the fact that you don't have that exact fly handy. Quickly double check your gear and landing technique, then get back in there after those fish!

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from JoeGeurts wrote 42 weeks 1 day ago

Only having one fly in that pattern was his biggest mistake. With it now gone he is unable to reproduce the same situation that was producing fish.

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from Flyfish_fox wrote 42 weeks 9 hours ago

When I have been standing around at the regionals talking with the past finalist the conversation turned to the flyfishing comp. They have all said that they had to go to a 5x tippet to get a bite. Sounds like the trout are leader shy to me, but I have never been there.
Usually when I have a fish break off, when I have looked at the leader there is that telltale "pig tail" at the tip of the remaining of the shortened leader to let me know that wind knot was the culprit.
It is hard to tell the real cause withhout being able to examine the broken leader.

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from John Davis wrote 42 weeks 9 min ago

Well Chuck, I fished the creek a few dozen times and never got the impression that the were leader shy. But not sure what I know, I only guided for a decade.

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from Flyfish_fox wrote 42 weeks 3 days ago

Several possible mistakes,and I have made them all.
Wind knots in the leader will cause breakoffs, as they are the weakest point in the leader.
The method used for hook set, the baitcaster's full body hook set can cause a breakoff.
Failure to "bow", or give line to, to a jumping fish will cause the line to break.
One cause could be the poundage of the leader he was using. Streamers can usually be tied to a heavier poundage than a dry fly. I have heard the trout in that stream are extremely leader shy, but a submerged offering can usually be a heavier poundage.

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from craigw52 wrote 42 weeks 3 days ago

Two thing come to mind: 1) After setting the hook, Luke should have tried to get the trout on the 'reel' ASAP. One stands a much great risk of a breakoff by pulling line to play a fish...rather than using the reel. Using the reel's drag is much more forgiving than 'line in hand'. 1) Luke's tippet was too small, likely causing the break. Not sure if he was using one of the 100% fluorcarbon tippets, but you can usually get away with larger line size by going 'Fluro'.

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from BubbaK wrote 42 weeks 2 days ago

Personally (and I'm no expert!), I've found that when a big fish turns and runs, I have lost them when I have failed to give them enough slack quickly enough. I have found that bowing to the fish, while letting the rod come into play, and while feeding him some line in a controlled manner (i.e. letting the slack slip through my controlling hand), keeps the pressure on, while avoiding having my leader broken. I caught a similar-sized bow on a 5 or 6x leader on a #22 nymph on the Beaverkill last weekend. I was certain he was going to part that leader, because he got below me in the current, but it worked out. Good going to Luke - I prefer streamer fishing to any other type, though it's often less productive than nymphing.

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from lonewulff wrote 42 weeks 1 day ago

his biggest mistake was sulking after hooking into a 22" bow! he probably applied too much pressure too soon in the hookset. if he was actively fishing a streamer the fly was already under tension and there is not much need to set the hook, all that is needed is a subtle tug and then let the fish run.

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from bisonium wrote 42 weeks 1 day ago

Biggest mistake was probably using too light of a leader/tippet. Mistake #2 was not having more flies. Mistake 3# was not bringing his fly tying bench and materials to make more flies in that pattern...

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from John Davis wrote 42 weeks 1 day ago

Going with bisonium for the prize pack. A couple of ya gave the too light of a tippet answer, true, but bisonium was the first one to list it as his first choice.
My list of reasons why, and feel free to argue, you may change my mind, but not the fact that bisonium gets the prize pack.
1. Luke may have be given that pattern when he got on site. By a local, a guide, crack-head Timmy, anyone, so only having one in that pattern could have possibly not been avoided.
2. Knowing the amount of pressure that competitors feel in the Finals, there's a really good chance that a highly seasoned vet fly-fisher would make a rookie mistake. Controlling tension and line are a little different with a time limit on your back.
3. He's not allowed to have a fly tying kit during competition.
4. "Sulking afterwards" didn't mean that he sat there and didn't fish, though I can very much see how many of y'all thought that's what I meant. The big man is a funny, funny dude, and when he got quiet for a few, you could see his heart sink.
5. The trout in Dogwood have never been leader shy in the Finals comp. They are only fished when there is a guided trip and there is a ton of stream for the guides to spread pressure, so the don't get hammered. With some research, you could easily find this out before the comp.
In general, you can use a heavier tippet when streamer fishing; in most places anyway. You should know this ahead of time.
If they are leader shy, you can always size down after refusals. You should know this ahead of time also.
These trout are heavy and strong; you need to be able to muscle them at times so you don't kill them upon release.
Knowing these AHEAD of comp time, I feel like Luke should have gone into it knowing that he could and should use heavier tippet. It's a ton easier to plan ahead and control those that you can then, not when that clock is ticking and the cameras are on.

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from 5Cent wrote 42 weeks 22 hours ago

Interesting and good read John.

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from Flyfish_fox wrote 41 weeks 3 days ago

Ouch

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from John Davis wrote 40 weeks 4 days ago

Hey Bisonium, send me you info at john@blue3productions.com and we'll get your prize pack out.

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from Davidkingsbury wrote 6 weeks 4 days ago

Bring more than one of every fly or streamer

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from Hartings7 wrote 1 week 33 min ago

If the man is a serious fly fisher he probably ties his own flies. If he does than Luke's main mistake is that he needs to at least two of every fly. and another thing Luke should have done was stick with that fish, he should have thrown more flies at that fish and tried to hook him again. Since the fish did not storm off.

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from hctapluos wrote 42 weeks 2 days ago

Here is my humble opinion....from the information given, the fish never jumped but did crush it, shook, and then broke off. This type of strike and reaction can and usually happens quick and takes place before you can even get him on the reel, waiting for him to make a run and him assisting you in getting him on the reel would be the best option. You can get him on the reel, but tension must be kept on the fish with the rod hand finger pressing the line against the cork while the other hand is cranking, otherwise slack line will lose him just as easy. I don't buy that he was using too light a tippet. Many a huge trout have been succesfully caught on tippet much lighter than anything Luke was probably using. The problem was not instinctively feathering that fly line through the rod hand finger when the fish went violent. A 22" fish shaking his head can pull 8" of line, but if that line is anchored....well pop goes the weasel.

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from hctapluos wrote 42 weeks 2 days ago

Forgot to mention that after the "second or third cast a big fish crushed it" tells me that having more of that specific pattern is really not an issue. If that was really the only fly they wanted he would only have found that out after many refusals from other flies, but losing that one fly after only two casts? No biggie, the cookie cutters will probably hit the next well presented fly as well. Actually his biggest mistake was sulking on that LDR. Without even thinking I would have been grabbing some tippet, repaired my leader, and tied on another fly before that fish had time to swim to the other side. An hour goes by quick.

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